As part of a claim regarding the authorship of the Quran by a supernatural entity, I was presented with “proof”. This consisted of a series of clips by some western scientists that supposedly examined the quran and declared it to be divine, here are a couple of examples …
There is more of the same, you can find it all here.
The core claim is that the Quran contains information that could not have been possibly known to humans at the time it was written, so it must have been authored by Allah. As evidence that this is true, we have these videos.
OK, there is clearly something more than a tad fishy going on, so first a few key points:
- The logical fallacy is that it is an appeal to authority, things are not true because somebody in authority claims it to be true, but because there is objective evidence that verifies it. Note that we are presented with “scientists” apparently saying it is of divine origin; we are not given the actual text so that we can judge the claim ourselves.
- All these chaps are apparently saying that the Quran is of divine origin, yet the evidence presented to them was not compelling enough to motivate even one of them to actually convert and become Muslim.
- None of these clips are new, if you click any, you will soon realise that they are quite old and date back to the 1980s
However, the really interesting key to all this is the following clip in which William Hey explains that it was all a complete fraud. Somebody contacted him and went to find out what had really happened. Prof Hey explains that he was tricked into saying what you see and then outlines how it was cleverly edited. In other words, this whole setup is deliberate fraud, and a complete lie.
Need we go any further and examine any of the other Videos in such detail? No, not at all, because we have clear evidence of deliberate fraud and deceit with this one. If you did indeed probe further, you will find more of the same.
I’m not upset that they lied and have persistently pushed this lie for decades, I’m upset because from now on I cannot believe any claims presented by this community. There is beauty in truth, even if it’s painful. Those who lie, twist life so that it looks tasty to the lazy, brilliant to the ignorant, and powerful to the weak, but perhaps the very worst deception here is the self-deception, for it is always despicable to lie to oneself – they have repeated this lie so many times that they themselves now believe it to be true even when it has clearly been demonstrated to be fraudulent.
Is it really like this? Sadly yes …
Islam is the only world religion which allows, encourages, and even demands lying by its followers. Lying for Islam is generally referred to as Taqiyya (تقي). Many Muslims will claim that this is not an Islamic, but a Shi’ite practice. Unfortunately, this is a lie. There are many verses in the Qur’an which condone lying and deception, and several classical and contemporary Sunni scholars have validated its place within main-stream Islam. In the inquisition miḥna during the Caliphate of al-Ma’mun, a number of Sunni scholars used taqiyya, attesting to the Qur’an as having been created despite believing the opposite. Given these facts, some will go on to attack the strict definition of Taqiyya and claim that it is “only allowed to save one’s own life” or that its “restricted to its use in war”. Again, these statements are false. In sahih (authentic) hadith, Muhammad admits to being a liar and advises its acceptable for Muslims to do likewise, allowing his followers to use deception to silence critics. One of the 99 “holy names” of the Islamic deity is Al-Makir (the Deceiver), and in the Qur’an Allah refers to himself as the ‘best deceiver’, and admits to deceiving Muslims and creating Christianity through deception. With all things considered, the simple fact is Islamic teachings as a whole breed dishonesty like no other religion and even elevates it to a holy status.
I strongly urge you to study carefully the gospel of Willie Winkie. At the same time realize that all apostates of Islam are to be killed. Got that? That is what the Quran says! You better keep your head down.
Have you ever read the quran ? DO YOU understand/speak Arabic ?
Maybe you should educate yourself more before you go and mislead people through this blog.
Not a verse in the Quran ever encouraged lying for any reason. Iam an Arabic speaking Muslim, who’ve read the Quran over and over. We all know that Liars “for whatever reason” dont enter heaven. Go ahead and read it’s true meanings.
And FYI. Shee’aa’s do not practice Islam the way they should. Go on and read about that too, before you claim what they do is “Islam” or follow what’s in the Quran.
If you are still sceptical about the divinity of Qur’an or the fact that modern day scientists subscribe to this fact, kindly find and read the Bible, the Qur’an and Science written by Dr. Maurice Buccaile, a researcher and a former Christian. I believe this should suffice you if you are sincere. Thank you.
Here is a link to the Wikipedia page on Dr. Maurice Buccaile – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Bucaille
For any discussion it is always best to understand the full conversation. If considering his writings, it is also wise to consider the rebuttals from his critics.
When considering any arguments being presented for anything, ask yourself this. What are the rebuttals, and, is this an argument that withstands such criticism?
Basically steelman it.
Actually no religion warned about lying just like in Islam, and ill write a few verses to enlighten you,
Besides the only verse that allows lying is found in the Holy Bible, Romans 7:
“If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”
I myself believe that it is one of the interpolated verses in the Bible, Jesus Pbuh wouldnt allow that, but just to tell u something of your beliefs(as a paul follower not Jesus’ Pbuh)
and im sure u never read the Bible..
Now im asking you bro, if prof. Hay believed once that its non logic that the information stated can be based upon (1400 years old)’ knowledge and kept saying that he is extremely interested in the information mentioned then said it must be divine and then a group of Muslims quoted his speech, and then the prof changed his mind to “it would need alot of proof to say that” Who is lieing here? Muslims or prof. Hay ?
the problem is that prof’ Hay didnt bother himself finding out the alternative probabilities to the information in the Quran related to his field, being divine. And he satisfied with “it would need more proof” and “what i said Might not be true” and to please his mind and followers may be.
excluding the doubtfull W.Hay u have too many scientists/profs/ex-priests that have said that the Quran is divine, many of them embraced Islam, u can judge by their opinions
Or u can do u own research and readings it will be much better even if most of the topics are “esoteric” but u can always read and ask.
and May God Guide u to better than what you are on
also what was told about women without souls is a lame joke
and here are some verses(as an interpretation of the meaning) In dispraising liars:
“Allah does not guide one who is a transgressor and a liar.”40:28
“.. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever”:39:3
“…then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]”3:61
and when describing the heaven.. “No ill speech will they hear therein or any falsehood” 78:35
“And O my people, work according to your position; indeed, I am working. You are going to know to whom will come a punishment that will disgrace him and who is a liar. So watch; indeed, I am with you a watcher, [awaiting the outcome].”11:93
“Thamud denied the warning And said, “Is it one human being among us that we should follow? Indeed, we would then be in error and madness. Has the message been sent down upon him from among us? Rather, he is an insolent liar.They will know tomorrow who is the insolent liar.” 54:26
watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_Bkoe5HQg
Peace
There is different between lying to fix something and lying because you need to get away from something
For example, if you have a fight with your spouse ” i would say she/he really loves you” i have no idea about that but i would say it to make you get back to her/him.
But i wouldnt say to someone that i love her without i meant cuz it is a lie.
I hope you got my point now.